New Glades

[highpeaksdrifter]

When you look at the proposed terrain on the trail map the new glades are skiers left of the intermediate trail. When you go into the glades it appears that you have to come back out on the same intermediate trail you entered from. Is that right?

 

[Phineas]

Yep

thats right, 4sure, right on bro, yep per.

 

[jackstraw]

nope, no way, notta, un uaa.

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

When you look at the proposed terrain on the trail map the new glades are skiers left of the intermediate trail. When you go into the glades it appears that you have to come back out on the same intermediate trail you entered from. Is that right?

Yes, that's the way I read it.

I've never hiked through the area, so I can't be sure, but it seems to me from the topo that each glade run will be pretty limited in vertical and quite short before one has to traverse a long way back to the right to re-join the intermediate trail. If that's the case, I'm not confident that the glades will be all that.

It doesn't seem to me that WF totally "gets it" with glades. They shouldn't just be fit between existing trails on the mountain (or made to adapt to a proposed "cruiser" trail). The best glades I've skied follow the fall line like a real trail, but instead of a clear cut, the trees (not just branches and underbrush) are selectively thinned.

We'll see what happens with Lookout Mt. I don't want to be a Negative Nancy with this. I'm still really psyched to ski the new terrain and picnic at the Porcupine.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

When you look at the proposed terrain on the trail map the new glades are skiers left of the intermediate trail. When you go into the glades it appears that you have to come back out on the same intermediate trail you entered from. Is that right?

one has to traverse a long way back to the right to re-join the intermediate trail. .

That's what I was thinking. Maybe it just looks that way on the trail map and the reality will be different.

 

[tjf67]

but it seems to me from the topo that each glade run will be pretty limited in vertical and quite short before one has to traverse a long way back to the right to re-join the intermediate trail

Who are you? the same type post every string. Have you skied the face this year? did you look up at what they are glading?

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

Who are you? the same type post every string. Have you skied the face this year? did you look up at what they are glading?

Relax, guy, didn't mean to offend you! The Little Whiteface glades are OK, I'm just of the opinion that they could have been better, and the proposed glades don't seem to be a step in the right direction.

But, seeing as Whiteface hasn't started cutting trails yet on Lookout Mountain, the Lookout Mountain glades aren't visible from any of the current terrain and WF didn't cut any new glades on Little Whiteface for the 06/07 season, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

 

[tjf67]

Who are you? the same type post every string. Have you skied the face this year? did you look up at what they are glading?

Relax, guy, didn't mean to offend you! The Little Whiteface glades are OK, I'm just of the opinion that they could have been better, and the proposed glades don't seem to be a step in the right direction.

But, seeing as Whiteface hasn't started cutting trails yet on Lookout Mountain, the Lookout Mountain glades aren't visible from any of the current terrain and WF didn't cut any new glades on Little Whiteface for the 06/07 season, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

You did not affend me your posts just annoy me. Have you looked a t the map and then look up at the hill where they are going to cut. That is waht I am referring to.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

Who are you? the same type post every string. Have you skied the face this year? did you look up at what they are glading?

Relax, guy, didn't mean to offend you! The Little Whiteface glades are OK, I'm just of the opinion that they could have been better, and the proposed glades don't seem to be a step in the right direction.

But, seeing as Whiteface hasn't started cutting trails yet on Lookout Mountain, the Lookout Mountain glades aren't visible from any of the current terrain and WF didn't cut any new glades on Little Whiteface for the 06/07 season, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

You did not affend me your posts just annoy me. Have you looked a t the map and then look up at the hill where they are going to cut. That is waht I am referring to.

That's where I get confused. It's my understanding the blue trail is going to run across the ridge. On the map it looks like the glades drop off skier's left side of the ridge. So where can you stand at WF and see where the glades will be? I'm trying to invision it but can't.

 

[tjf67]

Who are you? the same type post every string. Have you skied the face this year? did you look up at what they are glading?

Relax, guy, didn't mean to offend you! The Little Whiteface glades are OK, I'm just of the opinion that they could have been better, and the proposed glades don't seem to be a step in the right direction.

But, seeing as Whiteface hasn't started cutting trails yet on Lookout Mountain, the Lookout Mountain glades aren't visible from any of the current terrain and WF didn't cut any new glades on Little Whiteface for the 06/07 season, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

You did not affend me your posts just annoy me. Have you looked a t the map and then look up at the hill where they are going to cut. That is waht I am referring to.

I dont feel like going back and looking at the maps to point you in the right direction. When you go up lift six. Look over to the right where the expansion is going to be. That pitch that you are looking at is going to be glades. I forget the amount in acres of gladin(78?) but it is a lot.
That's where I get confused. It's my understanding the blue trail is going to run across the ridge. On the map it looks like the glades drop off skier's left side of the ridge. So where can you stand at WF and see where the glades will be? I'm trying to invision it but can't.

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

That's where I get confused. It's my understanding the blue trail is going to run across the ridge. On the map it looks like the glades drop off skier's left side of the ridge. So where can you stand at WF and see where the glades will be? I'm trying to invision it but can't.

This is what I tried to explain in one of my earlier "annoying" posts. You can see the terrain from across the valley/Wilmington (with binoculars), but there is no way to see the proposed gladed terrain from any current Whiteface trail. The way I understand it, the lift will go up one ridge where the two expert trails will be. To the right of this ridge is a bowl that the intermediate trail will skirt before dropping over the side of the NEXT ridge. It is this next ridge where we will find the glades.

Now, to clarify some of my previous posts, since some people (tjf67) aren't bothering to look up the topo map, I've roughly sketched the intermediate trail and glades below. The gladed terrain is represented by the "I"s and the intermediate trail is represented by the "/"s (no, I'm not an artist). If you want to ski the longest stretch of vert in the glades, you're going to have a long traverse back at the bottom of the glades to get back to the intermediate trail and the rest of the mountain. If you want less of an annoying traverse, you'll have less vertical in the glades to ski. Alternatively, I guess you could ski the double fall line along the intermediate trail. To me, this isn't an ideal layout. But, it appears that some others like it (I'm talking about you, tjf67). If I'm wrong about this, I'd be the first to admit it and be happy about it.

............/I
......../IIII
..../ IIIIII
/IIIIIIIIII

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

[quote="tjf67I dont feel like going back and looking at the maps to point you in the right direction. When you go up lift six. Look over to the right where the expansion is going to be. That pitch that you are looking at is going to be glades. I forget the amount in acres of gladin(78?) but it is a lot.
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You're 100% wrong. That pitch is where the lift line and two expert trails will be. The glades (52 acres, not 78) will be on the backside of the next ridge.

 

[tjf67]

[quote="tjf67I dont feel like going back and looking at the maps to point you in the right direction. When you go up lift six. Look over to the right where the expansion is going to be. That pitch that you are looking at is going to be glades. I forget the amount in acres of gladin(78?) but it is a lot.

You're 100% wrong. That pitch is where the lift line and two expert trails will be. The glades (52 acres, not 78) will be on the backside of the next ridge.[/quote]

I went to the UMP and you are correct and I am wrong. You are still annoying.

 

[tjf67]

[quote="tjf67I dont feel like going back and looking at the maps to point you in the right direction. When you go up lift six. Look over to the right where the expansion is going to be. That pitch that you are looking at is going to be glades. I forget the amount in acres of gladin(78?) but it is a lot.

You're 100% wrong. That pitch is where the lift line and two expert trails will be. The glades (52 acres, not 78) will be on the backside of the next ridge.

I went to the UMP and you are correct and I am wrong. You are still annoying.[/quote]

With 52 acres of glading how can you say it will be short. Whiteface currently has 225 acres. I just dont get your logic. It looks like a lot of skiing to me

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

I went to the UMP and you are correct and I am wrong. You are still annoying.

Thanks, tjf67. Good to see you mastering the information superhighway. Not to gloat or anything, but nothing's more annoying than people who talk out of their a** with authority.

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

With 52 acres of glading how can you say it will be short. Whiteface currently has 225 acres. I just dont get your logic. It looks like a lot of skiing to me

Look at the trail design and my (very, very bad) approximation of it a couple posts back. The glade seems to be very wide but not very long. I'm in no way saying it's going to suck. To the contrary, I'm very psyched to ski it. But, imagine how kick-a** a glade we'd have if they cut one down the ridge where the two expert trails will be. One long glade that would ski like the glades at Steamboat. That'd be really awesome.

Anyway, sorry for the negative tone. I looked back at some of the posts and saw how some might seem to be a little pissy.

 

[takeahike46er]

You can see the terrain from across the valley/Wilmington (with binoculars), but there is no way to see the proposed gladed terrain from any current Whiteface trail.

While it is not quite the same as viewing up close, the picture below shows the forest composition of the entire mountain. Note the hardwood forest extending up from easy acres. The glades are to be situated in the uppermost part of this forest, directly east of the tollroad and the slides.

At least from this perspective I can understand why they decided to situate the glade there. It looks wide open compared to the rest of the tree-choked mountain. With the glades taking up the area that they do, there will be a ton of lines to ski, even if they are short on vert.

 

[AdironRider]

This thread is a perfect example of how this board cant seem to handle any form of Whiteface criticism. Glades will be nice, but they will also lack continuous vertical. This is a legitimate concern. Lets not forget that criticism often makes products better......

 

[Phineas]

actuallly

This thread is a perfect example of how this board cant seem to handle any form of Whiteface criticism. Glades will be nice, but they will also lack continuous vertical. This is a legitimate concern. Lets not forget that criticism often makes products better......

this response is an example of spoutting off w/ very little specfic knowledge on the subject at hand! I betcha there is five times more vert than U can handle in them new glades little ronnyrider... :twisted:

As far as glades inbetween the expert trails - they face easternly in2 the sun and would melt - the planned glades face northernly and continously drop in vert just like the intermediate trail! rippin aganist the fallline is gonna offer alot of funky session opportunities.

I'm calling ronnyrider out for a ski off!! Step up or shut up!!!!!

 

[AdironRider]

Its on bud. 08-09 when Im back in the ADK and the expansion is up, well do laps all day. First one I lead you follow, vice versa, and so on till somene cant hack it, pussies out, or by judges ruling is deemed unworthy. All terrain is open for one to challenge the other. To the winner goes free beers and pride.

I do agree with you that if the glades are on the other side of the ridge they will melt out very quickly. That ridge basks in the sun all day long. I personally wish they would open up the woods between Parons and Cloud, but alas some bird will prevent that from happening