Rail to Bicycle trail plan

Thanks Harv. I've never been up to the Moose River Plains (and Black River?). They look really scenic in photos. Great canoeing too, I believe.

DEC announced this week they figure there's between 400-500 Moose in NY. Sure would like to see some. 5 years ago there was a Mama moose unt 2 babies right here in my neighborhood all summer but we had no luck seeing them. We see all kinds of wildlife as we get about but no moose!!! Maybe this year. We will be going back to Maine to ride the Quads and eat Lobsters. FYI as low as $3.00 per lb for those of you who like Lobster. Perhaps we'll see some Moose too. They would require ALOT of butter, eh?
 
moose

DEC announced this week they figure there's between 400-500 Moose in NY. Sure would like to see some. 5 years ago there was a Mama moose unt 2 babies right here in my neighborhood all summer but we had no luck seeing them. We see all kinds of wildlife as we get about but no moose!!! Maybe this year



Look at GM photo of the day.....Really cool. I heard lots of noise behind my home wonder if baby or momma were nearby. This looks like the big curve, I am close to it.
 
Re: moose

I:)skiing said:
Look at GM photo of the day.....Really cool. I heard lots of noise behind my home wonder if baby or momma were nearby. This looks like the big curve, I am close to it.

Hey that's cool. It may have been Moosesis you heard. Be careful. They can be very aggressive.

We can't wait to see one. My honey thinks they're beautiful.....I think they're dumb looking.

Maybe you heard a Sasquatch I:)skiing......There's a Police Officer from Whitehall ( southern point of Lake Champlain) who swears the Beastie Susquatch walked right across in front of his police cruiser one night.

I haven't seen one of those yet either. Not sure I'ld admit it if I did. hehehe.
 
Another good story Snoballs. Thanks.


Been meaning to post this question, maybe you have heard. I heard rumor that since the Fed govt is going to spend money to fix up the rail south of NC for some business down there, that the quary in North River is planning on reopening the line in NC commercially. If that occurs, would I be right in saying the Tawhus trail would be dead...or Indian North River might be the start.
 
I:)skiing, all I've seen is the article http://poststar.com/news/local/article_067c04e8-549c-11df-ab91-001cc4c002e0.html which I believe you've seen. It reads to me like the cargo aspect from NC is still very tenative. Not sure where the Barton connection is at on the rail line but probably would eliminate the lower portion of the Tahawus Bike trail.??? Sure hope this speculation doesn't prevent the whole line from being placed in the Federal Rail Bank. My heart is with the whole line becoming a bike trail but my mind kinda supports the cargo aspect too.
 
* Warren County Planning and Community Development Committee

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* Warren County Economic Development Corp. President Len Fosbrook said officials with the Olympic Regional Development Authority have talked to an event promoter about bringing a 100-mile cycling race to the region next summer. ORDA has recommended Warren County as the site for the event, Fosbrook said, although no discussions have been held yet with the promoter.

Fosbrook declined to name the promoter, but said during the meeting that he was involved in the Lake Placid Ironman triathlon and now organizes cycling events in the Midwest and Canada.

County supervisors and department heads met Tuesday to discuss recruiting the event and reviewed a presentation from ORDA about its potential impact.

The committee expressed its support for pursuing the event. The next step will be arranging a meeting with the promoter, Fosbrook said.

http://poststar.com/news/local/article_b1b7b924-6a8b-11df-ad8a-001cc4c03286.html
 
Snowballs said:
* ORDA has recommended Warren County as the site for the event, Fosbrook said, although no discussions have been held yet with the promoter.

Translation:

ORDA does not want to screw up any roads leading into and around Lake Placid. They also recommended closing Route 28 from Warrensburg to Blue Mountain Lake (50 miles one way) for the race and also suggested having it the weekend of July 2,3,4, 2011. This would be fine for LP.
 
I have been on some long bike rides on biways...really do not need to close the road....just place cones every 100yrds over 1/2 the wide of one lane. Tells drivers stay close to yellow line or split it...drivers on the other side, move over. !
 
I received this email, thought you might enjoy also....I tried highlighting the last paragraph, but could not for some reason :roll:

A meeting June 12th,....they say bring hiking boots, wonder why? Its my son's B-day, otherwise we would have driven up this weekend. Heading to Fla.



Hello, trail lovers:


It was one year ago that several people began to think that it was a good time to launch an effort to convert the unused "Tahawus Extension" of the North Creek railway to a rail trail. Let me review what has happened since, where we're headed, and the things we must do to be successful.


But first, the goal: Create a unique, world-class bike trail stretching 29 miles from the classic Adirondack town of North Creek to the magical destination of Tahawus - the foot of the High Peaks, a place of history, sublime wilderness and the source of the Hudson River. An awesome recreational opportunity for our visitors, inspiration for a more healthy lifestyle among our residents, and a boon to our economy.


The challenges in creating a bike trail are always enormous. We have made some great progress, but we are reaching a point where some serious public support will help influence some key decisions. That's where you come in, and we are grateful for your help.


So, let's review:


The first few months of this project were spent quietly checking on basic feasibility. We found mostly positive answers to our questions, and we went public on the idea early last fall. We held the first meeting of the Friends of the Upper Hudson Rail Trail last September. We spent some months formalizing this organization over the winter. We met with DEC and APA to get some sense of the challenges we might face with state agencies. We created a website, a Twitter account, and a Facebook page. We've gotten some good press and have done other things to get the word out.


The nature of bike trail projects is that they are managed locally by people who have never created one before. It's a good idea to get help from folks who have, so we established relationships with Rails to Trail Conservancy and especially Parks and Trails New York, with whom we won a highly sought grant that provides exactly the help we need.


We held a meeting in North River to let that community know about our activities and to listen to their concerns. We've been in contact with others who may be affected, including Barton Mines. At this point, we believe our neighbors' concerns can be addressed if we work together. This has been and will remain a major goal of our project.


Another key goal for 2010 is to acquire the right-of-way, directly or through an organization like OSI. We have been talking to NL Industries and they are currently studying their options. These wheels can turn slowly, but we do have them turning. The legal nature of railroad ROWs is complex; we have done a great deal of work to understand our ROW so we can resolve any issues quickly. The overall idea is to assemble a package that is "funding ready."


The remaining goal for 2010 is to strengthen our organization. I'm very pleased with the folks we have working on the project. We are growing at a rate that matches our needs - but only barely. We've incorporated, have a 501(c)(3) application in the works, a good strategy to reach our near-term goals, and good connections to the community. The big job of generating overwhelming public support has only just begun, however: there are meetings to attend, hands to shake, outreach to do, and much more. We don't need a lot of money at this point, but we do need some in order to act as a strong organization. Please become a formal member by applying online on our website.


All in all, it seems like our timing has been just right. Good things are happening, enthusiasm is very high. This month's Conservation magazine has the first DEC commissioner on the cover - riding a bike! Inside, there's a photo of current Commissioner Pete Grannis - also on a bike! Since one potential sticking point for our project is how DEC will regard the portion of our ROW over state land, these are amazingly timely images.


There's much more! Please attend our first general membership meeting this Saturday at the North Creek Ski Bowl Lodge at 10:30AM, June 12. Bring your favorite food or snack and beverage, your hiking boots or your bicycle. We'll have coffee for you. I'll give a slide show (I'm working on a Google Earth tour), we'll talk, get you signed up as member (free or paid memberships available - no pressure). Then we'll see about walking out on the tracks or going for a ride or both.


And you can always learn more by checking our website, and signing on to our twitter and facebook pages - links below.


Thanks for your support.


Curt Austin


Friends of the Upper Hudson Rail Trail


http://www.upperhudson.org
http://twitter.com/upperhudson
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Upper-Hudson-Rail-Trail/102812963094737
 
Got it covered, Skiing....I attended today's meeting, got to see the new Ski Bowl Lodge and had my first meal in NC.

Alot of interesting info on the Tahawus Bike trail including a " fly over " video of the trail corridor. That part was wicked cool. To see the mtn contours, lakes, rivers, homes, bridges really brings it to life. Much of the trail is secluded woodland. All of it is very scenic traveling aside 3 rivers, gorges, forest covered mountains, etc. Most of it will be a Woo Hoo! 8) fun kinda ride....about 17 miles of it is a 2% grade descent that bikes will " coast " @ 18 mph. 17 Miles!!! hehehe...That spells fun. Long downhill cruises are the absolute bomb and enable even occasional riders to ride long distances. Imo, there's no doubt this will make a great, unique trail.

The situation is it's time to start garnering wide spread support for the trail and take it to the next step. Judging from the stories others there told of bike events, the popularity of biking events around the country draw very large numbers of Cyclists. The numbers are real and growing. It seems to me NC could sorely use the extra business.

People have been saying NC business had a bad year last season. It's like NC is approaching that crossroads again, like another NC cycle of businesses closing. Sure hope that is not so. Having customers during the off season would help them alot. Tahawus Bike Trail could be a huge asset.

Oh yea! It seems you can't look anywhere at the NC scene without some one mentioning Harvey Road. The guy's known and read by everyone who's active in NC. You came up today, Harv. Some one said...." I get my Gore info at this great blog called Harvey Road, This guy writes online...He's great..you gotta check himout! "...blah blah blah. Honest to Pete, you can't swing a dead cat anymore without someone mentioning Harvey Road! Harvey Road!

Harv's one of the brighter stars in the NC sky... Yep, he 'sTele r! :roll:

You famous Harv!
 
Everytime I read or hear about various bicycle events without fail there is always alot of people who visit them.

From the Post Star. http://poststar.com/news/local/article_ef37f81c-7978-11df-920d-001cc4c002e0.html

By DON LEHMAN [email protected] | Posted: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 2:55 pm | (0) Comments

Warren County appears close to landing a big bicycle race that could bring 10,000 people or more to the region next June.

County officials are working with promoters of a series of 100-mile bicycle races known as "Centurion" races for an event to be held in Warren County next spring, after Americade.

Centurion races are held in several locations, and attract as many as 10,000 participants. Lake George Supervisor Frank McCoy said the first one would likely attract 2,000 or so riders, but Centurion events tend to grow quickly, he said. And organizers told county officials that each rider typically brings four family members or friends along.

"If you get 40,000 people, you're talking about another Americade, though not as long," he said. "This could turn into another big economic boon for Warren County."

Centurion races typically bring participants and their supporters to town for four days and three nights, McCoy said.

McCoy and Chester Supervisor Fred Monroe were among a group of Warren County officials, including members of the Board of Supervisors and members of the county Economic Development Corp., who met with organizers of the race earlier this month.

Monroe said he was optimistic the event would make its way to Warren County next year. Organizers of Centurion races choose mountainous courses, and they have looked at potential starting and ending spots in Lake George, at Gore Mountain Ski Center or Adirondack Community College, he said.

The courses could go from southern Warren County into southern Essex County before returning to Warren County. Two races - a 25- or a 50-mile race and a 100-mile race - could be held over the weekend, officials said.

"They've got a couple of planned routes that meet their criteria," Monroe said. "I think people are pretty supportive of the concept."

McCoy said Graham Fraser, the organizer of the Iron Man Triathlon in Lake Placid, has been trying to organize the race, and "really likes the area."

Calls to Centurion Cycling have not been returned, and Fraser responded to an e-mail for comment by saying he was preparing to board a plane Wednesday afternoon and would not have time to meet the paper's deadline.

But a June 12 posting on Centurion Cycling's page on the social networking website Facebook reads, "Looks good for a New York event. 22 officials from the Lake George area at meeting. So much support offered, great riding, great venues, looking forward to getting it on the schedule for June 2011."


Posted in Local on Wednesday, June 16, 2010 2:55 pm | Tags: Warren County, Centurion, Bicycle, Race
 
Thought i'ld post this for those who might have missed it, esp I:)skiing. It's a fly over vid of the rail corridor cobbled together from Google earth. If you look real close, you can see Harv laying up firewood and Spongeworthy looking for his bottle opener that I hid on him. ;)

http://www.upperhudson.org/Upper_Hudson_Rail_Trail/Tour.html

@1:20 it shows a large private lake adjacent to the trail that will have to posted to keep people like me! from swimming in it.
@ 2:25 it show the trail going past what I was told is a Barton mine facility.
@ 3:10 it shows the trail w/bridge crossing the Hudson just below the Hudson River Gorge. Then the trail ascends the Boreas.

The man that owns National Lead and this rail corridor is very elderly. Hope it is secured in the Federal Rail Bank before nature takes it's course. Estates can be tied up for years, even decades.
 
Thanks all good info and excellent reporting.

Did they mention anything as to how the trail would be impacted if the rail line started back up to the mine, as earlier reported.
 
Well, they met with Barton and said something like they(trail people) could get along w/Barton and both could eat the cake so to speak. A non confrontational posture. They did say a train and cyclists can't share the same section of the right of way, too narrow. Barton ran their small " hand trolley" like car down the lower section to knock down some plant growth and when the bike folks asked why they were told " for you guys." Seems Barton would get the lower few miles and the biker's the rest with the final connection for bikes to NC being via the road. That would work. Not as idyllic but functional.
 
Thanks, that is what I was thinking. Sadly, because the "trail" does not actually begin in NC, NC may loose some of the marketing appeal. Wonder if there would be room to the right of the guard rail to cut and flatten some trail.

Being a dad with a 5yo, while we have ridden on roads, we dont like it. Peace of mind thing....
 
Guys and girls - I have been asleep at the switch. Or more like deeply involved with our new web address and site renovation of Harvey Road. It's taken a huge amount of time and I've learned way too much about HTML and a bunch of other letters. It's the main reason I've been basically absent from SkiAdk.

The things that Snowballs said above ... it's incredibly hard for me to stay in touch with what's going on from all the way down here. If I am in touch at all, it's because there are people out there, up there, who keep an eye out for things and send them my way.

To the point. IMO this is a potentially big story. Recycling all the old energy that was put into blasting out the right of way. Creating an industry out of land that is basically idle. Self powered recreation. Grass roots involvement coupled with corporate cooperation. Who is against it and what are their primary points?

Snowballs showing once again that he's got vision - posting this thing and hammering on it since last fall. And I:)skiing, your dedication to North Creek in general is incredible. I want to help too.

I just read through most of this thread and there is so much information here. I thought about embedding the Google Earth flyover, but it just to jerky and long. Would be WAY cool if Helms could do a real flyover and get it on video or HD.

So... If anyone thinks it's a good idea, or wants to see this story on Harvey Road - I'm open to suggestions on how to go with this. Send me links to important developments and I'll post them. Other ideas welcome.

I've got an email address now for all stuff Harvey Road now:

[email protected]

If you have ideas on how to get this story out, or if you find stories, or images that could help - email me.
 
Trail meeting

How many people attended the bike trail meeting a the ski bowl?
IMO, if the trail does not begin in NC, its economic benefit to the town will be significantly reduced. The purpose of a trail is to eliminate riding on roads. Rte 28 is just too busy for families. As it is the two road crossings will pose some challenges, but with good signage, people should be able to navigate them safely. So...if t doesn't begin in NC families will begin the ride someplace beyond the Barton plant and then they will drive home on 28 and skip NC in a manner much like most skiers ski NC.
 
Where the trail starts does seem crucial.

Would like to hear from someone who knows the topo of the river. It seems to me that if it was a simple matter for the tracks to go along the river. they would already be there. It's got to be cheaper to put warning lights at the crossings vs. blasting a new route.

I know in the winter the downstream road crossing is dangerous. Once I came across a car in the ditch with a frantic woman inside. I ran to the nearest house to ask for help and the women who answered the door said "Jack! Another car in the ditch..." Like it happened every week.

Probably, hopefully, not an issue in the summer.
 
Trail

The entire premise of the trail is that it follows the existing rails. This is the basis of the Federal Law. Beyond this, it's much more complicated than simple topography. there are land ownership, setback requirements and financial considerations. The crossings are unavoidable.
 
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